Again, Deuteronomy 5:9 states it clearly: "You shall not bow down to them." Remember to keep holy the Lords Day. And if its true that it was the Roman Catholic Church which caused the difference by eliminating the graven image clause, why make up for it by simply subdividing covetousness into thy neighbors wife and thy neighbors house? Heto ang alam ko. Well, you know that, the RCC faithful, instead of being angry, is proud because of this "success." You shall not have other gods besides me. You sir, are going places. It is pure fiction, like the Da Vinci Code. St. John Lateran Why Do We Have a Feast Day for a Building? I am the Lord your God who brought you out of slavery in Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ", He added, however, that "they don't hold any higher value than the other commandments of God, such as simple things as gossiping. "My approach is that of positive reinforcement rather than negative fear," Luski said. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that takes His name in vain. //Then why are we making graven images of Jesus, Mary, and the saints?//. Do you have a third-party, non-biased organization that can say with any finality that the RCC's interpretations of the Bible is superior to that of other Christian denominations such as Protestants, LDS, or Mormons? 2. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. EWTN News, Inc. is the worlds largest Catholic news organization, comprised of television, radio, 6) Thou shalt not murder. Not to mention that, when a particularly embarrassing or contradictory item in this holy text appears, a clarification needs to be issued! 0.20 MB, Preparing For Eternity Far from worshipping Mary and the saints, their images are mere reminders of the communion we have with them as Catholics. [We can argue technical interpretations till we are blue in the face but what i have stated is the reasonable Catholic position.]. You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. We had religion classes and first Friday masses but I don't recall hearing about the commandment against making graven images. It's like looking at the picture of your dog and thinking that it reminds you of your dad that is an absurd analogy. 99% would not have read the whole verse to begin with. You shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. But I believe there is no true version between the two versions. 2. 10. Well, they don't know the difference eh, just like what KapanaligSaWala said. At issue are the questions of Miller-Evans said American Baptists were among the 32 Baptist denominations that filed a friends of the court brief stating that displays actually diminish the Decalogue's sacred value. 1. WASHINGTONThe Ten Commandments can provide the basis for secular arguments on contemporary moral issues, members of the Catholic-Jewish Kagaya lang nito ng paglalagay natin ng picture ng mahal natin sa wallet. Then the Protestants came along over a thousand years later and protested that the Catholic Church worshiped graven images - which of course is not true at all. God's 10 Commandments vs Roman Catholic 10 Commandments Discussion in 'General Theology' started by YHWH's Lion, A better solution would be to teach the people the proper place of the serpent in the Jewish faith. Otherwise it's just another non-sequitur argument. However they both convey God's potential for us. We also grant that she should be honored, since we, according to Saint Pauls words [Romans 12] are indebted to show honor one to another for the sake of the One who dwells in us, Jesus Christ. Therefore we have an obligation to honor Mary . 9. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. Chemerinsky has noted that Catholics, Protestants and Jews use different versions of the commandments. Jewish, Catholic and Protestant versions differ. 5. Whats up with Catholic schools? Deeper matters of theology and logic aside, the fact that such editing and constant revisioning of the supposedly infallible word of god has been performed through the ages raises questions in itself. The Ten Commandments, also known as Aseret HaDibrot (Ten Sayings in Hebrew) or Decalogue, are the first ten of the 613 commandments given by God to the Jewish people . So Protestants and Catholics may not agree on which books should be in the Bible. So in a way, Catholics VENERATE/WORSHIP these graven images as holy tools in order to reach God which breaks the rule in Deuteronomy. Tenth Command: Thou shalt not covet.. If you say that the Church is the interpreter of scripture, you just made the argument that the Church manipulates the scriptures for their own preferences stronger and you don't want that do you? "There are some basic beliefs and some basic principles. The Philippines won the Guiness record for having the largest Ten Commandments tablet. As to your statement "because they think it amplifies the power of their prayers" that is your uninformed opinion and in no way represents Catholic teaching, so believe what you will. Ten Commandments: Catholic vs. Protestant Versions. 6. But will the Philippine Catholic hierarchy be happy and proud of this record? Thou shalt not commit adultery. Links As for the Philippines record of having the worlds largest Protestant Ten Commandments, it would be interesting to see the Vatican put up an even bigger tablet with the Catholic version just to save face. family and friends in PDF format. In it, they appear in two slightly different versions in two passages. Notwithstanding different numerical designations, Jews, Catholics and Protestants all end up with a total of 10 commandments. It is also a given that church people think that these graven images are holyand that you cannot deny. The Church as created by our Lord is the rightful interpreter of scripture. ISLAM - AGREEMuslims pray to one God and do not have any idols, statues or imagery in the place of worship, the mosque. Only God should be given the glory. And you try your best giving all the evidence possible proving the validity of the Bible and then saying the Bible was taught by word of mouth, which even you should know cannot be trusted. 2. But we don't see that in the version of the Ten Commandments being taught by the Catholic Church. Remember the sabbath day . Thats because the gigantic Ten Commandments erected in Baguio happens to be the Protestant version, and if we look closely we will find that there is a significant difference from the Catholic version: President of Teaching the Word MinistriesDr. Paul M. Elliott wrote: The Roman Catholic revision is obvious: The Vatican eliminates the second commandment against idolatry, and subdivides the tenth commandment against covetousness in order to keep the number of commandments at ten. In jewish context the action and intention may mean the same thing. See worship in the Christian sense goes beyond mere head bowing or kneeling, it also includes intent and disposition. The first commandment combines injunctions against false worship and the worship of false gods. And playmatereally? You will have no other gods but Him. You will honor the Sabbath day. 8. No other gods before me . The Ten Commandments concern matters of fundamental importance in Judaism and Christianity: the greatest obligation (to worship only God), the greatest injury to a person (murder), the 5) Honor thy father and thy mother. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water You apparently have very little knowledge of biblical hermeneutics. Matthew Warner Matthew Warner is the founder and CEO of Flocknote.com, an innovative communication tool helping thousands of churches and dioceses better connect with their flocks. 2. 10. Florida medical board is full of DeSantis donors. EWTN: Ten Commandments. 8. Opponents of such displays say they violate the First Amendment by promoting religion. Thou shalt not covet. Then why are we making graven images of Jesus, Mary, and the saints? In fact within the first hundred years of Christianity, there was no written bible. 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My apologies, graven image also includes supernatural creatures as well like angels etc as well. Seems to me that you're just resorting to a long drawn-out attempt at the Courtier's Reply. You shall not kill. I said that the Church is the rightful interpreter of scripture. I can give you a topic right nowlet's say homosexualityand you'll pull out arguments from the Bible and reinforce it with documents from past popes and saints with some old, questionable scientific journals funded by the Catholic church. Both versions (Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 5:8) specifically command against making for oneself an idol or graven image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. Ten Commandments in Catholic theology I am the LORD thy God . The version in Deuteronomy is substantially the same, but there are some differences. 9. The Ten Commandments prohibits actions and behaviour which is seen as wrong or immoral. The contradictions in this conspiracy theory are evident. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Marys College in Moraga, Calif., researched the issue when a student challenged him a few years ago on how he numbered the commandments . Sorry but you'll have to find some other child to play with. Then either your instructors were remiss or you were asleep because if you ever looked it up it is in the bible. Especially Revelations, acid-trippy.). Jews celebrate the event at the festival of Shavuot, which falls seven weeks and one day after Passover. Whereas the beatitudes are blessings which offer an entirely different perspective; one which is alluring and brings about a sense of enlightenment, rather than a repressive or restrictive feel. 3. However, Christian understanding does not only take into account the bible but also the traditional understanding of what this verse means which is not so much the action itself but the meaning of that action. But people opposed to Ten Commandments displays in public buildings say the choice of one version over the other shows favoritism on the government's part. If you like this article, you can download and share with your "The first three commandments we say deal with our relationship with God, and the last seven commandments deal with our relationship with others," said Schneider, pastor at Espiritu Santo Catholic Church in Safety Harbor. Remember the sabbath day . Why the Catholic Church is accused of having cleared the commandment of not worshiping idols , while the Orthodox Church, which specifically mentions this prohibition, uses images exactly like the Catholic Church? Very interesting is the site of Dura Europos , of the 3rd century AD , in Syria, where were found both a synagogue, which was totally covered with frescoes representing scenes from the Old Testament, and an ancient house-church, which was also painted. But scripture doesnt enumerate them for us and break them into 10 nice, neat commandments. Because of this, there have been a number of different variations of the ten commandments as we know them today. 7. Contact Us, If you like this article, you can download and share with your Graven Image only means idols which represents natural creatures or objects. For Jews, the first commandment is a verse considered introductory by some Christians: "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage.". Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife. Thou shalt not steal. Protestants are not open at all to papal primacy. Honour thy father and thy mother . "Speaking from a Jewish perspective, David Berger, Ph.D., head of the Jewish Studies Department at Yeshiva College, New York City, drew a distinction between the religious character of the first four commandments and the "secular" character of the other six. I must throw back the the statement to you by saying nice try in misrepresenting Catholic teaching. No graven images or likenesses. The Jews called this the Decalogue (ten words) or the ten sayings. Which makes sense because they arent all commandments. It's like a thousand-year version of a "Pass The Message" game, in Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English and the vernaculars! May 7, 2008 By Public Affairs Office. Christians revere the Jewish Bible and refer to it as the Old Testament. Sources: Rabbi Jacob Luski, the Rev. According to the Evangelical view, this dogma contradicts statements in the Bible. God must have been confused when he appeared to Moses to procure two versions of what should be the same thing. or school. But Deuteronomy 5:8 clearly prohibits against MAKING graven images and not necessarily worshiping them. The True Ten Commandments Renew or manage your subscription here. monetization of National Catholic Register RSS feeds is strictly prohibited. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. The first reason is that the Lutheran church, which does not allow the use of images, uses the same 10 commandments of the Catholic Church. THE CHURCH HAS REMOVED NO COMMANDMENT FROM THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. Which is exactly the point of this article. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not The verse (or any of the succeeding verses) never said anything like "you shall not bow to them unless you recognize that they are mere representations of God and it is God alone whom you worship.". These nuances are interpreted in the light of the both the Church's magisterium and Sacred Apostolic Tradition. The point is every Catholic knows what idolatry is, right, it's just many Catholics don't know where it actually comes from. You shall not covet your neighbor's house (anything that belongs to your neighbor). The Catholic Church has traditionally used the Deuteronomy account and followed the division of the text given in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Scriptures made by second century BC Jews in Egypt and used by the early Church as its Old Testament. Site Search following your train of thought, one could be kneeling and praying in front of Satan's graven imagebut it's alright as long as he knows he's praying to God? 3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain. However, its important to remember that the enumeration of these commandments is not scripture itself. 9. You would have a point if Catholics actually believed that the images themselves are the ones we venerate. Personally, I think comparing the commandments of the RCC and the Protestant Church is like comparing the beverage selection of Wendy's and McDonalds. Additionally, this date must be within about seven days of the astronomical full moon. You are so arrogantly quick to draw that you misread what I wrote. Satan has no corporeal representation so you cannot make an mage of him that is representative of him, well you could, but that would be a lie. Marijuana, which remains illegal at the federal level, has now been legalized for recreational use in 21 states and the District of Columbia over the past decade. Having the soul of a child is essential to the recovery of our lost sense of wonder. The archbishop had given his life to the Catholic Church, having served as a priest for 64 years and a bishop for 45 years. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor. There is no biblical evidence that it is forbidden to use images as a mean of religius teaching or to honor people with statues. 10. A. As usual, protestant idealogues have again misinterpreted Catholic teachings by an incomplete reading of the Ten Commandments. He added that "civilization decays when the higher law written in the human heart is no longer taught. (My apologies, i just find it amusing that you are still playing with this "child"). Para sa mga hindi, kahit na ang nirerepresenta ng imahe lang ang sinasamba, maaaring nagdudulot pa rin ito ng confusion sa pagsamba (e.g. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 10. Why did the Protestant Lutheran church adopt the division of the 10 Commandments of the Catholic Church, despite not using the images? On one hand, he thinks supporters are attempting to establish a state religion, he said. This site no longer supports your current browser. Yes indeed, proof is the several ecumenical councils that have been held to clarify several RCC teachings and do other exciting stuff. 3. print and digital media outlets, dedicated to reporting the truth in light of the Gospel and the They follow similar precepts, said Askia Muhammad Aquil, an imam, or Muslim prayer leader, from St. Petersburg. 10. 3.In the jewish list of the 10 commandments the first is I am the L-rd, your G-d and the second is the Prohibition of Improper Worship which combine the prohibition to worship other gods and that of making idols like the first commandment of the catholic list. are traditional and neither contained in the texts nor obvious. 9. Probably not. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. When I bow or kneel i know that I am bowing or kneeling to God who is there spiritually and not physically in the image. You shall not make for yourself an idol and worship it, You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God. Some early Protestants venerated and honored Mary . So there are really two in one prohibition here, creating an idol/image (god) and worshipping it. Isa tong isyu na nag-umpisa pa noong 4th century BC. In the Catholic Church, the veneration of Mary , mother of Jesus, encompasses various Marian devotions which include prayer, pious acts, visual arts, poetry, and music devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary . The first one is just a statement - not a commandment. On the contrary the operator OR makes bowing and worshipping interchangeable which means that in the Jewish context bowing is the same as worshipping. or pweding mas-safe kung wala ng imahe na mismo? But at least we can always agree on the Ten Commandments, right? Take for example the commandment on the sabbath. Officially, all of these many churches are considered equal. 10. Abbreviated Catholic Ten Commandments . And the fact that the bible was the written form of oral tradition, well, we all know how fluid oral tradition is, and the nuances of the languages used influence the content. Not take the LORDs name in vain. Had the verse stated, "You shall not bow down to them AND worship them," then you would be correct, but it didn't. But this is one of the many cases where Roman Catholicism (like Judaism) places the traditions of men in authority over the Word of God. "We primarily use the Ten Commandments as an examination of conscience. Among the major world religions in the world Christianity and Judaism are the most similar religion. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. They are a lot of ethical codes," he said. Let me take that line of questioning further why is the Vatican actively promoting its various graven images of humans saints, Jesus, and Mary among its cathedrals and museums as holy sites and tourist attractions? For Jews, there are 613 commandments, not just the "top 10," said Rabbi Jacob Luski of Congregation B'nai Israel of St. Petersburg. 10. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); one who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief; one who doubts or denies religious dogma. Fifty days after the Israelites departed from their slavery in Egypt and began their That way they will be one step closer to becoming freethinkers. In the end, your rationalization about Catholics venerating graven images fails because they really think it is holythey do not see it like some family picture. Not to exalt any denominations validity with the Word. 4. Matt has a B.S. The Catholic Church also recognizes as sacramental, (1) the marriages between two baptized Protestants or between two baptized Orthodox Christians, as well as (2) marriages between baptized non- Catholic Christians and Catholic Christians, although in the latter case, consent from the diocesan bishop must be obtained. For Christians it is Sunday because it is the day of Christ's resurrection. You shall not steal. 3. He also blogs (MatthewWarner.me), is one of the founders and speakers of the Digital Church Conference, and is author of the book Messy and Foolish: How to Make a Mess, Be a Fool and Evangelize the World (messyandfoolish.com). The April 30 session included two presentations, one Catholic and one Jewish, on the Ten Commandments as a basis for negotiating contemporary societal issues like abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and same sex unions.Father Arthur Kennedy, rector of St. John's Seminary, Boston, examined how the Ten Commandments, or Decalogue, has functioned in the Catholic tradition not only as a means of forming Christian consciences, but also as a basis for making secular arguments in support of moral positions. Protestants generally separate the two and make them their first and second commandments . On Nov. 9, we focus our attention on the Basilica of St. John Lateran. 4. Sa perspective ng Catholic Church na naniniwala sa Trinity (e.i. Otherwise, God in His way, will humble those who exalts themselves and will exalt those who humbles themselves. You said that the Bible does not claim to be the sole interpreter of matters pertaining to morals but you, according to the comments you posted here, act like it does. That way we will be one step closer to becoming a more enlightened nation. You can make an impact on lives here at home and around the world. 4. They are general precepts and they don't really define individual sins," he said. Protestants reject the Roman Catholic doctrine of papal supremacy and sacraments, but disagree among themselves regarding the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist and matters of church polity and apostolic succession. Further reading: And no, your reason for Roman Catholics venerating the image of Christ is flawed, people worship images of saints, Christ and other holy stuff is because they think it amplifies the power of their prayers.that somehow praying in front of a graven image has more effect than praying in front of nothing. YHVH is the LORD your God. God does not specify Sunday or Saturday. If yow make a statue of George Washington to honor him and remind his example you dont worship him as a God. What are the ten commandments in order according to Catholicism: I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before Me.. Sa konteksto ng isyu ng paggawa ng imahe, para sa Catholic Church, ipinagbabawal ng Diyos ang paggawa at pagsamba ng mga imahe sa panahon bago ang pagsilang ni Hesus dahil sa panahon na ito kilala nila ang Diyos bilang purong espiritwal at kung ganon hindi marerepresenta ng materyal na imahe; pero pagtapos ng pamumuhay ni Hesus sa lupa, wala nang masamang irepresenta ang Diyos ng imahe bilang pag-alala na nagkatawang-tao ang Diyos, bastat ang sasambahin lang ay ang nirerepresenta ni imahe hindi ang imahe mismo. How do we know which position accurately represents God's position, assuming He exists? Honor thy father and thy mother. As followers of Christ, no denomination should be attributed to the very Word of God. The main differences between the Jewish, Protestant and Catholic enumerations occur in how the 1st and 2nd and the 9th and 10th commandments are divvied up. Nag-iba ang takbo ng panahon pagtapos bumaba ni Hesus sa lupa at manirahan kasama ng mga tao. All Rights Reserved Judge Moore defied a ruling for its removal, and by years end both the monument and the judge were gone. Only later on did I re-examine my position and decide to look it up and discover what I just stated above. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCBs) mission is to encounter the mercy of Christ and to accompany His people with joy. Take note that the logical operator "or" was used, not "and". And the succeeding verse, Deuteronomy 5:9, prohibits against BOWING DOWN "or" worshiping these graven images. Thou shalt not kill . + The Judeo/Christian Ten Commandments in Simple English + 1. You shall have no other gods before me. This shouldnt come as a surprise, considering that our country likes claiming to be one of the most Catholic in the world. We venerate the image of Christ because we are reminded that historically an image of the true incarnate God-man has been passed down. The President Asks, What If There is No God? Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor! Protestant theologians. Robert Schneider noted that Catholics and Protestants number the commandments differently. We do not venerate any image of God the father because we know he is a pure spirit. Sincere Christians of all denominations and even some representatives of Judaism | FF Podcast, The Pilot Episode Of Hazbin Hotel Thats Still Entertainment Laura's Ambitious Writing, https://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011/11/11/ten-commandments-catholic-vs-protestant-versions/, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07664a.htm, http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Courtier%27s_Reply. [So there are really two in one prohibition here, creating an idol/image (god) and worshipping it.]. For the Jews, its Saturday as they see the start of the lunar week to be Sunday. SubscribeStart your Register subscription today. "The Sabbath, for example, is a quintessentially religious commandment, a ritual observance, even though it also has the social values of rest, freedom from work, and bringing people together," he said. The Ten Commandments: 1. You shall have no other gods before me. Catholics see in the pope the successor of the Apostle Peter, the first head of their Church, who was appointed by Jesus. The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lords Day. 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